PMDG 777 für Prepar3D offiziell released

[Stephan Koenig]

Hi Leute

PMDG hat soeben die T7 sowie das Expansion Pack zur 300ER veröffentlicht. Im Moment gibts noch einen Rabatt womit die LR noch 89.99 Dollar kostet, danach wird sie 135 Dollar kosten.

Das Expansion Pack ist für 29.99 zu haben.

www.precisionmanuals.com

[Mark Nelson]

Mine

[Pascal Doppmann]

Auch wenn ich einsehe dass Arbeit dahinter steckt auf eine andere Platform zu porten bin ich noch etwas im Streit mit mir selbst ob ich nochmals die insgesamt 115$ oder so ausgeben kann/will Ich schätze ich hab bis am 7. März jetzt Zeit mich zu entscheiden was meine nächste Platform wird ^^
Wer schon umgestiegen ist und die 777 im P3D am fliegen ist soll es bitte für mich geniessen (ich sitze noch 10 Tage 16'000km weit weg von meinem PC

[Stephan Koenig]

Ich nenne es eine Investition in die Zukunft. FSX ist bei mir definitiv gestorben.

Der Preis ist imho auch gerechtfertigt. Dazu eine Erklärung meinerseits: Prepar3D war nie (und wird es nie sein) als Spiel konzipiert. Prepar3D basiert auch nicht auf FSX sondern auf Microsoft ESP, welches damals schon nur kommerziellen Kunden vorbehalten war.

Entsprechend hoch dürften auch die Lizenzierungskosten ausgefallen sein.

Fakt ist, dass an der Engine von FSX absolut gar nichts mehr geändert wird, selbst die Steam Edition ist reinste Augenwischerei. Prepar3D ist da voll im Aufschwung. Die Performance von V2.4 ist eine Wucht, das Speichermanagement genial. Noch keinen OOM bisher, und das obschon es noch eine 32-Bit Applikation ist, und ich mit Autogen absolut nicht sparsam bin.

Man mag also erkennnen, dass Prepar3D de facto ein komplett anderer Simulator ist. Ein gutes Beispiel ist da z.B. Photoshop (vor der Adobe Cloud Ära): Wer von Windows auf OS X umsteigt, bezahlt auch noch mal, und nicht wenig.

Ich besitze übrigens auch die Ramzess T7 für X-Plane, die kommt aber um Längen nicht an PMDG ran, was Systemtiefe angeht.

[Mark Nelson]

Ich besitze übrigens auch die Ramzess T7 für X-Plane, die kommt aber um Längen nicht an PMDG ran, was Systemtiefe angeht.

Ich besitze diese ebenfalls und flog sie auch rege. Zu der Zeit, war es für X-Plane das Mass aller Dinge. Danach kam die FF 757 die doch schon sehr systemtief war. Beide Maschinen kommen jedoch nicht an die Systemtiefe der PMDG 777 heran.

[Stephan Koenig]

So, ich mache grad meinen ersten kompletten Testflug mit der 777-300ER von Dubai nach Zürich (Offline da es ein Testflug ist).

Man kann sagen, dass sie leider wie auch im FSX schon ein VAS Monster ist. Ich teste nun, ob das etwas durch das bessere Memory Management von Prepar3D kompensiert wird.

Wo ich im Airbus X Extended im VC stabile 30 FPS habe, gehts mit der 777 runter auf ca. 20 FPS. Ein Leichtgewicht ist sie definitiv nicht. Wobei man sagen muss, dass selbst 20 FPS in Prepar3D ziemlich smooth erscheinen, im Gegensatz zum FSX...

BTW: Laut FroogleSim, der ja auch Betatester für PMDG ist, soll das Update auf 64-Bit für die 777 kostenfrei zugänglich werden. Damit rechtfertigt sich für mich auch der höhere Preis, denn einmal verkauft, verdienen die nichts mehr, pflegen das Produkt aber dennoch weiter.

[Marco Bähler]

BTW: Laut FroogleSim, der ja auch Betatester für PMDG ist, soll das Update auf 64-Bit für die 777 kostenfrei zugänglich werden. Damit rechtfertigt sich für mich auch der höhere Preis, denn einmal verkauft, verdienen die nichts mehr, pflegen das Produkt aber dennoch weiter.

Für mich ist der Preis auch (zum Teil) dadurch gerechtfertigt, dass dafür ein Update nichts kosten wird... Ich habe einen ersten Testflug gemacht und bin begeistert! Als Vergleich hatte ich auch die Ramzess im X-Plane... Noch dazu hatte ich die FSX Version nie von dem her kam es mich ja nicht teurer...

[Pascal Doppmann]

Jetzt habe ich gerade in einem anderen Forum das mit zukünftigen Sachen gelesen und wollte hier das posten, aber da sind mir alle zuvor gekommen Ziehe jetzt definitiv in Betracht das gute Stück zu kaufen.

[Stephan Koenig]

Hier übrigens noch ein Statement zur Preispolitik von PMDG selbst (da es sich um einen Facebook-Link handelt, habe ich es hier auch noch mal zitiert):

https://www.facebook.com/pmdgsimulat...78150648891387

[08FEB15] P3D Pricing Policy - Some facts on this issue...Captains,
There is quite a bit of misinformation floating around, so if I may please, allow me to correct a few facts. (I am not trying to change anyone's opinion here- but at least be mad at PMDG for factual reasons and not something someone made up. B) ) We occasionally see these moments where a bunch of folks will run off half-cocked with information that they don't even realize is bogus... So let me set some facts out to make sure we are all at least well informed.
When we announced development for P3D 18 months ago, we were very candid about the fact that our P3D products will be significantly more expensive than our FSX products. This is true because we envision P3D as the home for our enterprise and professional products, in keeping with P3D's place in the enterprise market. P3D is a growing, in-development platform that will be constantly changing and evolving to meet the needs of the professional simulation market. With this in mind, it is thus not sufficient for PMDG to finish a product and simply toss it to the marketplace forever. We will need to invest developer time and effort to continually adapt our P3D products to version changes, as well as adding new features as they come available in P3D. This is a different approach than we use in FSX, and it is a different approach
than is used by most other developers whose products are targeted to the entertainment market only. Use of developer time is an opportunity cost, and we must carefully weigh the value of placing a developer on one project as opposed to another. These are economic considerations that must be dealt with because we envision our P3D product line as a constantly evolving, growing, professional development environment. P3D is a professional tool targeted to professional and academic users and our P3D business model moves us in that direction.
Some have expressed concern about forward compatibility with LM version changes. We have already indicated that our current product licensing will carry you through at least v3.x and x64bit conversion, which we anticipate taking place in v3.x... based on publicly available information.) I am unable to predict what will happen beyond this, but at that point we are likely a good 2 years out and we will evaluate what is fair for the marketplace at that time.
Our enterprise and professional products on P3D will have significantly higher license costs ($1,800-$25,000+ based upon what is required) and our enterprise product line will also require the purchase of an annual maintenance contract. This pricing is directly in line with the professional and enterprise software market and deals with the larger issues of certification cost, intellectual property licensing and liability mitigation. Our intial plan for P3D included only these market sectors, but we recognize that there are many non-professional users interested in our products who are using P3D and thus we created a license/pricing bracket to meet the needs of those individuals without dilluting our professional and enterprise market.
Some folks have been upset because they felt that we owed them a discount for purchasing the FSX version. While we can all appreciate that desire for a healthy discount, i should point out that the promotional pricing being offered right now **is** a significant discount from the base list price that will go into effect on 08MAR15. We felt that setting the price to match that paid by FSX users was the most fair way to approach the issue.
Apparently there are some folks who are upset that we should have given a very steep discount- and again- we can appreciate the desire for healthy price savings, but there really is no precedent for it in PMDG's market history. We did not offer a discount for NGX customers who had owned our previous 737 in FS9, for example, and again P3D is an entirely and completely different platform with an entirely different purpose. Some may recall that in 2007 we offered a very short, two week promotional pricing method (almost identical to the one currently being offered, by the way!) for customers who wished to upgrade from our FS9 747 to the FSX 747, but that program had a specific purpose, was unpopular and created very many problems for customers.
To give a different example: Some of you know, Ryan got me hooked on the Battlefield franchise as a way to blow off steam with some of the members of our team. I own Battlefield 4 on the PC... I also own it on the Xbox... I was not offered any promotional pricing even though I own both platforms. This is the reality of the software licensing marketplace. I know some people wish it were otherwise- but at PMDG we live within the reality of it all...
PMDG has always been on the high end of pricing in our marketplace, and we have always required individuals to purchase a new license when moving to a new platform. While some felt that a discount was "owed" and have since accused us of "treating our customers badly" the reality is that we have always provided top tier products, complete-and-unhobbled products that do not require you to cherry pick functionality, and we have always provided continual, live support while also engaging with our customers directly and honestly in our forum. I checked our support system today, and for 2014 our average reply-to time for customers requesting support was < 4:15. We have three employees who's job it is to support customers directly and they do so on issues ranging from Windows to hardware, to FSX, to P3D and all of that is on top of providing support for our own products. In addition to customer support, we strongly support the growth and completeness of our products with multiple free updates, hundreds and sometimes thousands of fixes, corrections and improvements because we care very much to deliver our customers the finest, no-excuses simulation available on the marketplace- and to that end I feel strongly that we succeed in this endeavor.
Speaking of our forum- we have had a number of folks come to the forum to vent their disappointment. We have always allowed this in our forum and we continue to do so. We do set some ground rules, however- and those ground rules have been in place since our first software product release in 1999. We don't allow anyone to be unkind, we don't allow anyone to spread falsehoods, we don't allow anyone to be abusive and we don't allow anyone to troll.
Anyone who comes to the forum or our facebook page who wants to engage other simmers and/or us in factual, calm, respectful conversation is always welcome- even if we don't agree with you and even if your opinion is different than ours. We cannot allow folks who simply wish to vent anger or troll/incite arguments to participate freely however as this diminishes the value of the forum for all others.
In short- I am sorry if our policies on pricing do not make everyone happy. We have communicated them to you candidly for 18+ months- and we will continue to do so. We continue to work on many great things for the simming community in FSX, P3D and Xplane- and we look forward to delivering these things to you!

I hope that helps with the understanding. I'm sorry if some individuals feel that we have not done enough to support them, but we have always appreciated your support- and continue to do so- even if we don't all agree.