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    Frage Online day 09.06.2020, 2 Fragen

    Hallo zusammen

    bin gestern Abend von Zürich nach Peking geflogen als SWH198.

    Dazu habe ich 2 Fragen:
    1. Was heisst PTC. Das oder so etwas ähnliches hat der Ground Controller immer wieder gesagt zu den anderen Piloten.
    2. Warum hat es mir im Vpilot und auch auf VatSpy die Station Departure 125.95 nicht angezeigt?

    Besten Dank für Eure Antworten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephan Ricci View Post
    1. Was heisst PTC. Das oder so etwas ähnliches hat der Ground Controller immer wieder gesagt zu den anderen Piloten.
    PDC = Pre Departure Clearance
    Hier gibt es eine schöne Erklärung: http://vatsim.hk/PDC

    Ich gehe nicht davon aus, dass PDCs generell bei der VACC angeboten werden sondern dass es je nach zuständigem Controller (Delivery oder Ground) verfügbar ist oder nicht. Bei Sam Collings war das gestern wohl der Fall. Ohne selber Ground-Erfahrung zu haben kann ich mir selber aber nicht vorstellen, dass sich dies merkbar auf die gestrige lange Queue auswirken würde. Schlussendlich müssen die einzelnen Clearances ja in beiden Fällen abgearbeitet werden, nur enfällt dabei der Funkkontakt. Der Workload gestern war ja problematisch, alsdass nur ein GND Controller anwesend war (anstelle von S & N GND und DEL). Inwiefern sich dies generell positiv auswirkt kann uns sicher ein Controller erläutern.
    Last edited by Michael Briner (1153834); 10.06.2020 at 09:49.

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    PDC wird nicht von allen angeboten, aber immer häufiger.
    Sie reduziert die Frequenzbelastung aber stark, da die Clearance meistens relativ viel Zeit braucht und immer wieder Fehler drin sind. Die Departure-Kapazität hängt aber primär von anderen Faktoren ab.

    Departure: wahrscheinlich war kein Departure als eigene Station online, sondern es wurde die Frequenz mit dem APP gekoppelt. Dank AfV ist das möglich. Da nur die Frequenz genutzt wird, aber das keine primary Station ist, sieht man den Controller nirgends, weder auf Vatspy etc. noch in den Pilot Clients.

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    Vielen Dank für die ausführlichen Erklärungen.
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    Your welcome. I was meaning the PDC Pre Departure Clearance. I find it does help reduce the frequency load on the clearance level as all i have to do is fill your strip (in the case of zurich also set your cleared flight level to the initial climb in the system) and press confirm rather than doing all that then taking the time to read it out then waiting for the readback back.


    For the departure it was a cross coupled frequency and I had one who i had to say went to the wrong frequency and sent him to the normal controllers frequency.


    Michael Briner, the workload for one controller was problematic and I agree with that. I know there were upset pilots at this including a streamer I wasnt aware about until afterwards. Me and yeasterday's Tower has arranged our bookings for the next 3 and we have made sure we have a Delivery on to reduce the load on the ground controller side.


    There was at one pilot last night who was also confused at the PDC expecting it to be like how the US do it and sometimes the UK through PMs with the controller, something which we do not have set up at all. If anyone wants to look into the system further at what is used then its availible at http://www.hoppie.nl/acars/ . I know it does take time to setup even on our side but the reduced voice load does help.



    [QUOTE] A0241 / 20 NOTAMN Q) LSAS / QCDCS / IV / BO / A / 000/999 / 4727N00833E005
    A) LSZH B) 2004230000 C) 2005112359 EST
    E) REF AIP AMDT 005/20, PAGE LSZH AD 2-23 / 24, PARAGRAPH 3.3.2.4
    DEPARTURE CLEARANCE:
    ALL REF TO DCL (DATALINK DEP CLR) NOT YET VALID.
    DCL SER AVBL FM DATE 12 MAY 2020. [/ QUOTE]
    I remember seeing this notam a month ago.
    Last edited by Sam Collins (1321027); 10.06.2020 at 17:07. Reason: aditional spacing inbetween sections
    Fly Safe
    ~ Sam


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    I had to wait about 1 hr, but I did understand it and use the time to listen the voice.
    Anyway, you did a great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Collins View Post
    Michael Briner, the workload for one controller was problematic and I agree with that. I know there were upset pilots at this including a streamer I wasnt aware about until afterwards. Me and yeasterday's Tower has arranged our bookings for the next 3 and we have made sure we have a Delivery on to reduce the load on the ground controller side.
    Victim of its own success? Obviously the Zurich night event or even the destination LSZH itself became very popular within the VATSIM community recently. As a pilot, I'm relaxed with waiting 20 to 30 minutes for a clearance as I can prepare other things meanwhile. 30 minutes and more becomes painful and might troubles your whole flightplan, as the arrival ATC might be already offline due to the delay. So I do understand everyone who disconnects and reorganizes his evening.

    But under no circumstances I would blame the controller for that. It all was well organized and fair by using the queue. And you did an excellent job with patience, clarity and - not to underestimate - humour. At the end of it, hope you very satisfied "deep down there" .

    All the best,

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    Well i got my new PC now so i can controll again, wasnt able to on Tuseday since i didnt have ES installed, but that should reduce the Workload aswell

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